we had a civil war. that was the most contentious period in the history of our country. >> that doesn't make it right. >> i'd like to bring up one additional point. two other things were brought up that we haven't really talked about. one was, and i don't know who said it, it's about leadership. you know, i keep envisioning the nerk y dugout. you have all these personalities. they're going in different directions. it takes the right manager to get the players to do the right thing. i really think that president obama has his good traits and bad traits. in my opinion, his bad trait is he isn't a leader that can bring these sides together in a compromise. the second point about fairness and tax, i think it was mr. bowles who said -- no, it was lloyd. he said, i'd pay more taxes, but they'd have to show they'd treat my extra money in a responsible fashion. amen to that. >> what do you think about the idea that if president obama got elected it would be easier to get a deal done because he would no longer wo